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ab698
Posted on 08/20/10 05:29:25
Number of posts: 18
ab698 posts:

Hi Randy et al. I need some clarification again, sorry. I setup a 2 group sMRI design with 4 behavioural measures. I understand the Brainscores vs behaviour plots for each of the groups, what I'm not quite sure about is the colour scale on my bootstrapped LV images. The brainscores in LV1 are pos correlated with 1 behavioural measure and neg correlated with another in both groups but no relationship with the other 2 measures. LV3 then correlates with 1 behave measure in controls but not patients and LV4 correlates with the same behav measure but in patients not controls. So the yellow and blue blobs in my map are what exactly? The difference in GM between my groups or do they represent the strength of correlation with the behavioural measures but then which one and how. I also repeated the analysis but this time I used a one group design and put in an extra vector in the behavPLS coding for group membership plus interactions and get a very different answer with group difference dominating the entire result. You'll probably say "I'm not surprised" :) and it depends on the hypothesis you are testing (good point;)) but I'm still trying to get my head around it all. Thanks Anna

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red blobs and blue blobs
ab698
Posted on 09/01/10 10:43:18
Number of posts: 18
ab698 replies:

Having trawled through the forum list (I wish it was searchable :)) I found this answer about the colour coding of voxels in the LV images. Q1. Understanding the coloured weights (saliences) across the brain (and how they relate to the scatter plots in the brain score overview window): (a) do BOTH blue and yellow areas represent voxels whose intensities correlate with behaviour, with only the polarity changing (yellow = same polarity as the shown correlations; blue = reversed polarity from the shown correlations) OR (b) do the colours represent a breakdown of the correlations: in this case, I have a negative correlation, so: blue weights representing areas that are associated with large behavioural scores and yellow areas representing areas of low behavioural scores. 2. I guess, more generally, I'm confused about how to interpret the scatter plots in the brain scores overview. What does it mean that *brain scores* are negatively correlated with behaviour? Does that actually tell me anything about how voxel intensities are correlated with behaviour?? A1: answer to my first question is (a):  The saliences tell me where voxels show the same (or opposite) correlation depending on the colour of the salience. Q2: But I would still appreciate some insight as to how to interpret the correlations themselves.  Is it correct to assume that for salient voxels, there is a correlation between BOLD activation and the behavioural measure?  Or do these correlations represent something more obscure: the overall correlations are between brain scores and behaviour, but I'm hazy about exactly what brain scores are and whether they allow me to draw any conclusions back to the actual brain activity A2: The salience/weight for a voxel is proportional to its correlation, or to the difference in the correlation if your behavior profile (weight or LV) indicates a task or group difference. The brain scores are a summary across the entire image and depend, for a given subject, on the balance of activity between positively and negatively weight voxels: more positive brain score, more activity in positively weighted voxels. The correlation between these scores and the behavior you will note is the same pattern as in the behavior LV. In fact, the behavior LV you see in the PLSGUI is essentially a normalized version of the correlations (unit normal vector). The pattern is the multivariate expression of the brain-behavior correlation so it is vital to your interpretation: i.e., is the correlation pattern significant (permutation test) and reliable (bootstrap confidence intervals on the behavior correlation). The voxel weights, and bootstrap ratio, add to this by idenifying the voxels with the more reliable contribution to the pattern. Clarification: So, in my case, I assume that because the face condition doesn't seem to contribute to the LV at all (no correlation, and a weight of near-zero in the behaviour LV plot), and both other conditions are negatively weighted, then yellow would indicate negative correlations and blue positive correlations between brain activity and behaviour. Correct? A: yes - though you may have some voxels that show a weak positive correlation in the face condition HTH


red blobs and blue blobs
ab698
Posted on 09/01/10 10:44:13
Number of posts: 18
ab698 replies:

oops don't know how to format in this text window hope you can unpick it!


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nlobaugh
Posted on 09/01/10 17:02:22
Number of posts: 229
nlobaugh replies:

Hi Anna..
It wasn't quite clear which of Randy's responses to the previous questions you needed to have answered in more detail...

so, I've created a 'help' document that outlines the major steps for evaluating behaviour/seed PLS results

the example is for a 2condition block fMRI experiment, but you simply need to expand the logic to apply it to your dataset..

hopefully this will help..
you can download 'BehavPLS_Interpretation.pdf' from the Rotman ftp server:

ftp://ftp.rotman-baycrest.on.ca/pub/Nancy/PLS_HELP/

cheers,
nancy



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grace
Posted on 07/14/12 18:18:52
Number of posts: 16
grace replies:

Hi Nancy, Your help document looks very helpful! I'm sorry if I missed this in the manual, but how do you "Look at the individual voxel correlation plots" (page 2 of BehavPLS_Interpretation.pdf)? Thank you! Grace


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nlobaugh
Posted on 07/17/12 15:16:48
Number of posts: 229
nlobaugh replies:

Grace...
those barplots come from "Windows>Datamat Correlations Response"
nancy


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jshen
Posted on 07/17/12 15:17:03
Number of posts: 291
jshen replies:

To get the plot on page 2 of "BehavPLS_Interpretation.pdf", you need to click "Windows" tab in result window, and click "Datamat Correlations Response", the "Datamat Correlations" window will be popped up just beneath the main result window. Then, click any individual voxel, the "Datamat Correlations" window will be brought up to the front.




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